Tue 22 Apr 2008
Politics: Bringing Out the Worst in Christians for 1,975 Years
Posted by ME under Barack Obama, Christians, politics, religion
Tags: Barack Obama, Christians, elections, politics, religion
Mike Cope opened the floodgates at his blog yesterday by suggesting that there are a lot of people who hate Hillary Clinton and he isn’t one of them.
Good for Mike. It takes a lot of guts for a preacher in our fellowship to state publicly that he respects someone who is vilified as often as HRC.
It goes without saying that hatred has no place in the lives of people who call themselves Christians. Many of us struggle to control our emotions and there is no emotion that needs to be controlled more than an emotion that wishes ill of another human being.
But you just had to know that Mike wasn’t going to slip that one past his readers. But as it turns out, many of the comments that followed his post eventually proved his point for him.
Mike’s observation and the visceral reactions that followed also confirmed my nearly life-long conviction that politics is a minefield when combined with religion. This is particularly true for those believers who view both politics and religion as zero-sum games.
Ironically, this is the one thing that fundamentalist Christians and Muslims seem have in common: both are convinced that there can be no accommodation with non-believers on any level. That’s an unfortunate aspect of organized
religion and we all need to do a better job managing it.
It also happens to be one of the qualities of Barack Obama’s campaign for president that has made ME more excited about an election than I’ve been in many years. I’m still convinced that Barack Obama has the potential for uniting people in ways we’ve never been united before and that includes the way we think about our respective faiths.
Mike used Hillary Clinton to make his point so I’ll use the reaction I’ve seen and heard from some Christians about Obama to make my own:
Small Church’s Obama Sign Causes Big Controversy:
Pastor Roger Byrd said that he just wanted to get people thinking. So last Thursday, he put a new message on the sign at the Jonesville Church of God.
It reads: “Obama, Osama, hmm, are they brothers?”
Byrd said that the message wasn’t meant to be racial or political.
“It’s simply to cause people to realize and to see what possibly could happen if we were to get someone in there that does not believe in Jesus Christ,” he said.
When asked if he believes that Barack Obama is Muslim, Byrd said, “I don’t know. See it asks a question: Are they brothers? In other words, is he Muslim? I don’t know. He says he’s not. I hope he’s not. But I don’t know. And it’s just something to try to stir people’s minds. It was never intended to hurt feelings or to offend anybody.”
I’m not sure where Pastor Byrd’s heart is today but it’s been my experience that one of the characteristics of hate is that it causes you to think an act irrationally. That would include deliberately spreading false statements about someone in the guise of asking a question about them.
At some point, believers need to step back and look at the secular political process as something that doesn’t really have that big an other-worldly effect on any of us in the long-run.
And when we use hate to drive people away from an otherwise loving God it doesn’t help at all either.
h/t: mc & dp
Incidentally: The report above about the sign in front of the Jonesville Church of God is slightly misleading. It reports the sign as asking a question but from what I can see from the photo above, it looks as if the church is actually making a statement or they couldn’t afford a question mark when they purchased their sign kit.
Update (4-21-08 @6:45 pm): The sign has been changed as the result of public outcry.
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April 22nd, 2008 at 12:10 pm
What’s really sad is how we can turn the political machine on people who claim the same faith as we do. We suddenly thing that certain candidates aren’t Christian enough, because they don’t share our same political views.
Mike’s been brave the past week, bringing up politics and alc*h*l.
The push-polling is really obnoxious, regardless of who it’s about. Just like McCain’s black baby who lives in South Carolina… we’ll do anything to win at politics or religion.
April 22nd, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Ignorance is not bliss, just ignorance. Our friends wherever this is proved this in a big name by their sign. Regardless of what you think about Barak Obama, signs like this and the innuendo they produce are a disgrace to the name of Christ.
April 22nd, 2008 at 1:16 pm
The tricky thing about this, for Christians (or anyone who believes in something higher, I guess), is how they classify themselves. Many make their political standings synonymous with their beliefs, and of course that makes emotions run high. A slight against their candidate or party, whether R or D, is almost like a slight against God; and sometimes, in their minds, I think it is. They see it as hateful, even ignorant - and sadly, most of the time, it is.
Is it really possible for an individual of faith to completely separate their faith from how they think a country should be lead? Most of all, is it possible for someone to speak out against something in the political arena they think is wrong, without being labeled as “ignorant” or hateful?
April 22nd, 2008 at 1:25 pm
How is that sign NOT supposed to be political and insulting?
I admire Mike. He’s a godly man who isn’t afraid to put his entire life out for public consumption. He’s genuine and I respect that a lot and he’s been a good friend to your local liberal heretic.
I haven’t decided who I’m voting for this election yet. I just get upset by how easily we enter into a TV mentality with the candidates — that because they’re on TV and we’re exposed to them so frequently, we assume a personal familiarity with them that we just don’t have. It wouldn’t be so bad, I suppose, if that “familiarity” translated as “friendliness,” but it rarely (if ever) does. Instead, it leads us to believe that we “know” the candidates in such a way that we can actually comment on their personal lives and character beyond what we’re given of their politics. It’s sad (to me).
I have reasons to respect Senator Clinton, Senator Obama and Senator McCain all individually given past actions and political beliefs - and that’s what I’m trying to base my decision on: what I’ve seen them do in the arena in which I’d be helping to place them. I am leaning toward Sen. Obama because I see him as a uniter and a person not afraid to hope. Maybe it’s optimistic of me, but maybe the world could use a dose of optimism.
I dunno.
April 22nd, 2008 at 2:13 pm
“It’s simply to cause people to realize and to see what possibly could happen if we were to get someone in there that does not believe in Jesus Christ,” he said.
I wonder what he thinks could possibly happen if such an abomination were to become reality someday?
April 22nd, 2008 at 3:00 pm
First of all, the sign is not appropriate on various levels.
I’m not a Hillary or Obama fan. Do I hate them? Absolutely not. I know that I am probably in the minority (generally a Rep.) that visits your blog. That’s what is great about our right to vote. For me, voting for me is trying the find the candidate that has the best experience, character and shares similar political views. Personally, I feel a responsibility to vote for a candidate that opposes certain issues that I feel the Bible is very clear about such as abortion and homosexuality. It’s hard to compromise my vote. However, that is sometimes a tall task to accomplish since I also oppose issues such as the death penalty.
I have character issues and policy problems with Hillary.
I have policy issues and experience problems with Obama.
That leaves me with the only option of John McCain who is experienced in World affairs, military issues and shares similar policy issues. I will probably vote for McCain.
Mike and ME, there are a lot of Christians that also do not hate Hillary or Obama.
TCB
April 22nd, 2008 at 3:01 pm
I considered sitting outside of the local church of Christ that also serves as my polling place during the primary election with a big sign that read, “A vote for Obama is a vote against Hillary.” Appealing to the people’s baser instincts is not a good thing to do, but I’m convinced that Obama would have gotten more than 400 votes in White Co. if I’d done it.
April 22nd, 2008 at 3:25 pm
That sign, and the way “Christians” behave when it comes to politics always reminds me of the following Anne Lamott quote:
“You can safely assume that you’ve created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.”
April 22nd, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Elvis: I agree; think the haters are in the minority.
Easily.
April 22nd, 2008 at 9:12 pm
Elvis,
May I say that abortion will ALWAYS be about whether the RATES will be high or low? The wealthy have always been able to get their abortions (regardless of the law) very quietly, very discreetly, and very anonymously. The issue itself only became a moral issue when poor women were able to get abortions. Only three candidates
have given a plan to LOWER abortion rates: Rudy Giuliani, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Candidates on the right usually just say something about supporting a “culture of life.”
To any objective observer, the issue is obviously “used” to get the votes of the naive and uninformed.
Marriage was defined by the government as a union between a “man and a woman” under Pres. Bill Clinton. Unlike GWB who supports “civil unions.” Now, your preachers won’t be explaining it that way.
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:48 am
Theo,
I understand there may be an under-handed rich man out there paying someone off. You could use that argument for anything (drugs, murder, taxes, etc.) Unfortunately, the world is all about money. But in the final analysis, I can’t control a corrupt rich man doing something illegally. I would pray that our elected officials would be men/women of integrity.
However, I can CHOOSE to vote for someone believes that issues such as abortion and gay marriage are not morally correct and will take a stand for those issues.
I understand that politicians will be politicians. However, we as voters just have to make the best decision we can make.
TCB
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:03 am
I still don’t understand this particular strain of CoC hypocrisy:
“We” are so quick to point out that those who attend a non-CoC are not in the fellowship, or brotherhood, or whatever they’re calling it these days.
Yet “we” are ridiculously quick to defend Bush because “he is a strong Christian man.” Um, the last time I checked, Bush does not attend a CoC. So why is he the exception to all the non-CoC disdain that’s out there?
April 24th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
Yeah…this is embarassing, or should be for CoCers. I guess Floridians figured out that we need to leave this stuff out in the church yard after that ballot thing and not being invited to the primaries after all this. I’d probably vote with my feet if I heard any of it coming from the pulpit where we attend right now, and we do not (thank goodness!) have one of those cheap, tacky signs sitting out front of the building to proclaim our ignorance.